What Would You Pay for Snot-Free Coffee?

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I can't say I've ever witnessed any of my (co)workers actually hack up something into a drink... but I do recall subtle things that would make the rude customers' café experience a little less enjoyable. Scalding milk or espresso, making sure espresso grinds get into the drink... ohhh so naughty.

I'm sure they spit in them, too. I just never saw it.
Yeah, the tip is optional, but the basic human-to-human respect is a must.
Sometimes I tip at the Starbuck's. Sometimes I don't. I'm always cheery to the help, if they are cheery in return I will keep the good spirits up. If not, then the hell with them. This goes for pretty much anywhere I shop.

But I shouldn't have to expect to tip for a coffee every time I get one. I don't think. I'm pretty sure the baristas make more than a waitperson's salary. Tipping should be optional. I think it is.

Now, is Mr. Monty McSuit a dickwad? Sounds like it. I can't stand when people go up to service counters/checkouts and totally ignore the real-life person behind them in favor of their cell phones, PDA's or newspapers. That is just rude and ignorant, and incredibly disrespectful. But I can't assume people like that have any respect for anyone they see as "The Help" anyway, and most likely have never had to hold a retail or service job themselves. That person is just an annoyance, something they must put up with in order to turn their bank funds into something hot and frothy. Would that a machine could just do it. That would remove that irritating polite chit-chat factor.

Me? I rely on it. It's part of my social life, as sad as it sounds.

Anyway, I'm saying that I think he's an ass, but not required to tip at the coffee place, in my opinion. For a barista it's a perk, one I've never been given at any job I've ever held, regardless of service or salary. Spit, if spit you must, but only for the fact that he's a jerk, not because of his failure to tip.
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Redzilla makes sense.

Anyone who has ever worked serving food or in retail during christmas has a valued respect for the folks in the service industry. If they don't, they deserve the frothy snot.

Bravo Kirk!

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As usual, Redzilla hits the nail on the head.

I don't think the tip was the issue here. I think it was the zero respect + no tip that created the alteration in his order. It's less obvious and less likely to get them in trouble to say "one triple grande no-tip mocha" rather than say "one triple grande mocha for the cheap asshole in the expensive suit".

I've worked in the service industry and I know how hard they work. Everyone, regardless of who they are and what they do, deserves basic respect. No one is better than anyone else.

I like the graduated menu :p

LOL @ "one triple grande mocha for the cheap asshole in the expensive suit"

Or maybe, "One triple grande asshat mocha."

One triple grande asshat mocha

*snort* LOL....I think THAT would be very do-able...not to mention very funny to hear. I might snort my drink up my nose if I heard that order called out.

with frothy snot...
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I have worked in the food industry, many times, as a waitress, dishwashing, selling sandwiches in Copacabana Beach (which means walking all day under *that* burning sun) and many other examples.

I try to leave tips as much as I can, as (like you well said) I know well how much weight the tips have in these people's salary.

But like the bastard with the MontBlanc pen, you will find (especially here in England, as I have endure torture more than twice) the bastards on the other side of the counter, the ones who will blame the customers (tiping or not) for all the sadness and insatisfaction in their lives. Shame, they seem to be all under 25.....

oh well....

Hey Mrs. P, I think you bring up an excellent point that is a totally different subject...which is about the attitude of entitlement for tips that I see way too often. When I was younger and working in the food service industry, tips were hoped for but there was a realistic view that they were optional and "gravey". These days, it seems expected that there will always be a tip and I see tip cuts EVERYWHERE these days.

It used to be only food service (i.e. restaurants) but now I see tips being the norm for pretty much everything these days. With the rise of prices and not in my income, I can't afford to tip everywhere I go nor do I think its appropriate to guilt the customer with so many hands out. I think its crazy for everyone, in every shop, to want and expect tips especially when all most people did was their job which they are already being paid for!

And I agree that the younger generation seems to have the formula backward. They will treat you well only if you tip...otherwise you are treated like trash. In my youth, a tip was given when you gave them good service first.

Respect needs to happen on both sides of the equation.

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I think tipping is bullshit, but only because it's not customary here in Australia. In the larger cities here it's becoming more fashionable, but it's certainly not standard, or expected.

Here, the price of coffee, and sandwiches, and your particularly average restaurant, all cost more, but who minds paying when you know your wait staff are getting a reasonable wage? (I think the minimum in the hospitality industry is around $8-$10 a hour, depending on your age. Not enough to live on in a part-time position, but enough to supplement your studies etc.)

I've been in both scenarios, the happy and pleasant worker and the bitter one. I did my best to keep my bitterness to myself but after long durations at places, my regulars would know when I'm 'having a day' and they usually would leave me with a laugh or a smile. I've tried to pass this on where I go. I have even stuck up for workers who are being belittled by other customers. Having not much a tolerance for it when I worked, I don't tolerate it when I see it happen (created a friendship after one cashier said "oh my god I LOVE YOU!" for rescuing them from a rude customer). I probably wouldn't have anything to add to that snobbish guy, because the quicker they're gone, the better (and the quicker I could mock 'em).
I've had that job. And now, even when I'm at my absolute pissiest on the planet, I try to suck it up and not take it out on anyone in a service position - particularly someone in control of something I intend to consume.

I haven't come up with a ready set of rules for when tipping is or isn't optional. My personal take is that if someone carries my food to me and it isn't on a plastic tray and I don't have to unwrap it, that means a tip is in order. I don't frequent coffee shops. I don't even really drink coffee. I can't wrap my head around paying $4 for a cup of coffee. But I think if I could afford that and was willing to do so, I could also afford to toss a buck in the jar.

Considering the recent issue with Starbucks and tipping, I have less urge to drop money in a jar. I would rather be sure the person who did the extra work for me got the money. So that kind of chills my tipping, especially in corporate situations.

We don't go out because it's expensive to get a babysitter, go someplace, pay for dinner, leave a tip, maybe go to a movie. That's just not happening. Well, ok - it's not happening for a whole other set of reasons now but that's not the point. The point is that when we do manage a 'date,' all those pieces need to be in place.

It's a quandary. But you can always smile and thank them for giving you what you want. You don't have to be a shithead. Especially when food and beverages are involved...if only for selfish reasons!
Thanks for commenting, everyone! What a wonderful discussion has transpired since I was here last. :)

I hope I didn't put too much emphasis on the tipping aspect in the post. My goal was to emphasize that respect, courtesy and a smile are even more important than a monetary gratuity. I don't always tip, either. But I do always try to be as nice as possible.

I am always courteous to those who serve, though I tip only if the service has been exceptional. At the small eatery where I have dinner every night, there are one or two waiters in particular who are extremely nice and always happy to me (and I in turn always eat in their area.) They do an excellent job and I tip them if I've had a slightly expensive meal.

But I remember there was this jackass waiter at another eatery who not only served our food late (and forgot to bring forks and spoons) when he returned with our change from the bill, he gave back 10 bucks less. I asked where the 10 bucks went and he said, "Oh, thats my tip." 10 whole bucks, for lousy service and a really small bill!

"I asked where the 10 bucks went and he said, 'Oh, thats my tip.' "

This sort of thing incenses me. Tips should always be voluntary. A mandatory tip added to my total is really no different than implementing the new-fangled menu example I devised above.

I do hope if you ever get him again, you request a different server.

-dry skin flakes only: $2.65

I KNEW those weren't sprinkles!

Just because it's closer, I've started buying my coffee at the 7-Eleven near my house. It's cheaper, and there's no expectation that I tip myself for pouring myself a cup of coffee and fixing it the way I like. When I do go to Starbucks, I throw a dollar in the jar based on two criteria: A) if I have a dollar, and B) if the person is friendly. If it takes awhile for my beverage to be made, does the person stand there and mope, or does s/he engage me in conversation, smile, act human, etc. The coffee is mine--I'm paying $4 for it. The tip is a bonus for good service. At the 7-Eleven, I tend to be a bit surly with myself, so no tip. Plus I end up horking snot into my own cup. Restaurants, where tips are the lion's share of a waitresses compensation, are obviously different.

"At the 7-Eleven, I tend to be a bit surly with myself, so no tip."

Comic brilliance, that. Just awesome.


I had food delivered once. The bill was $9. I gave the guy a $20 and he said "have a good night" and briskly started to walk away. I barked "AND WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING?" He looked at me and said "wha... What do you mean?" and laughed and I said "I gave you a $20, where's my change?" He replied "uh... heh! Oh yeah" kind of nervously and started making change. Without apologizing he handed me back the change and I took it and grinned "have a nice night!" and walked away without giving him a tip. It seemed pretty obvious he wanted to pull a fast one. (I know, I'm a mean guy)
respect, courtesy, a smile ...even if they are rude, slow and too stupid to have been hired, which seems to be the norm more and more...but if not, they get a tip too. I too was once in the food industry and it is always a two way street when it comes to respect, courtesy, a smile

You're not mean, you just value your hard-earned cash. :)

Whenever I want to let a person keep the change, I always wait to see if he/she hands me back the exact change first. THEN I tell them to keep the change. If they return a lesser amount then I promptly ask them to return the exact change and leave them without a tip. I pay other people ever penny I owe them, and I expect them to do the same.

However, just to prove I'm not stingy, if I owe someone something like, say 24.65 or some other odd decimal, I always pay the higher rounded amount i.e. 25 - and don't ask for the change! :P

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I remember when I was working a fast food joint, a asshat in the drive thru was giving some trouble. Well when they were ordering they had asked for extra onions, I walked to the line where my co-worker was making the order and I said "Didn't you hear them they wanted extra onions." I grabed a really big handful and slamed it on the burger. Mind you I was making change and taking orders at the drive thru and had not was washed my hands. It really pays to not piss off the drive thru cashier.

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